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Old 11-08-2021, 02:21 PM
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Supposedly there is a new clutch in my car (within a couple of thousand miles) but it judders badly on release and then there is this bodge on the clutch fork 😬
Anyone manage a guess and what’s wrong? I’m thinking it’s the wrong clutch kit or at least release bearing, but that bodge will destroy the slave cylinder at some point.
Anyone got the clutch and fork part numbers for a 91 tdic with a m46 with overdrive?
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Old 11-09-2021, 03:53 PM
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Yikes, that does look like a problem waiting to happen on that slave rod linkage.

The US diesel cars we got here (only available thru 1985 with manual trans) all had the old style cable operated clutches so most of us US-based members here may not have a lot of useful info to say about the hydraulic setup yours has. Maybe try sending a PM to some UK members like ukvolvo and see if they have further firsthand experience?

That said, based on what was done to that clutch fork I am guessing there had been an issue of the slave pushrod not being long enough to meet the clutch fork hence their adding that bodge to try to make up the distance. I would think that could be because there might be air in the hydraulic system resulting in insufficient travel of the slave pushrod, or could be a mismatch of parts (wrong master, wrong slave, ???). Those would be things accessible from the outside to check out. Perhaps starting with a very thorough bleed of the system and fresh fluid, / inspection of the fluid that comes out to see if it is dark suggesting failure of the seals etc.

Or maybe a bent clutch fork or damaged fork pivot could cause it. Or the wrong fork, like for a gasser car? Checking those out of course would mean dropping the trans unfortunately so maybe those would be second down the list. I am pretty sure the release bearings would all be the same since from the input shaft back, the transmissions are identical gas and diesel. I doubt that would cause a judder anyway.

Judder on engagement -- I would expect that only to be caused by warpage in the surface of the flywheel/pressure plate, and/or by worn engine and transmission mounts. Mounts are a common wear item on these old Volvos due to the safety breakaway design. Putting in a fresh set of all 3 mounts could solve the judder problem, they have been known to be a culprit for this. Once the mounts are tired enough to allow the engine to jump around during clutch engagement it can set up an oscillation you feel as a judder.

That of course wouldn't solve the issue of your slave cylinder pushrod though. If I had to guess I would say it's two separate problems, one being the judder on engagement and the other being that clutch release linkage. BUT a cracked release fork or something like this that made clutch engagement inconsistent could potentially link the two!

We will be curious to hear what you find out.
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Old 11-09-2021, 04:48 PM
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Judder on engagement -- I would expect that only to be caused by warpage in the surface of the flywheel/pressure plate, and/or by worn engine and transmission mounts.
Add to that list, rear axle control rod (dogbone) bushings, unequal trans/differential snout angles, incorrect u-joint clocking. Maybe(?) input shaft bearing? For dogbowl flywheel: Incorrect elevation between the two surfaces. Oil contamination.
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Old 11-11-2021, 10:38 AM
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Im not filled with confidence on the clutch replacement so il likely order a new one, bearing and fork and pull it apart and have looked at getting another fly to have skimmed before I pull it apart.
Will check the engine mounts and dog bone, the prop centre bearing bush was shot so I thought I’d found it but made no difference and just done the box atf which was pretty clean anyway.
Thanks for the help
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Old 11-11-2021, 12:20 PM
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Im not filled with confidence on the clutch replacement so il likely order a new one, bearing and fork and pull it apart and have looked at getting another fly to have skimmed before I pull it apart.
Will check the engine mounts and dog bone, the prop centre bearing bush was shot so I thought I’d found it but made no difference and just done the box atf which was pretty clean anyway.
Thanks for the help
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