Car hard to start in the morning (Socal - so cold should not be a factor) - Page 2

Jason · #11 10-05-2010, 05:30 PM

Yes it is, the rear most plug is a slow go, you have to loosen it with a wrench through the injection pump belt. Loosen the 8mm nut holding the bus bar to the plug first, but dont take it all the way off, just enough so you can turn the glow plug with the wrench and remove it. Use the bus bar to remove the plug, and to reinstall the new one.

Jason

bryancald · #12 10-10-2010, 06:10 PM

Well that job REALLY sucks!
GP 5 and 6 are a real pain to get to.
It turns out 5 of 6 GP's were bad - all were open.

The car starts almost before you turn the key now.
.....now to replace that battery!

Thanks to all for the tips on this job!

Bryan

Jason · #13 10-11-2010, 06:47 PM

Yes it is, you use the bus bar to remove the last couple plugs. Loosen up the nut that holds the bus bar on, but not all the way off, just so you can unscrew the plug, then fish the plug out while its still hanging from it. Install it the same way. Its just the rear most one thats a pain, you'll have to remove it working through the IP timing belt, using a open end wrench.

Jason

RLDSL · #14 11-06-2010, 09:58 PM

Easier way next time to replace 5 and 6 is to get a 8 and 12 mm gear wrenches, and lay some padding down on the passenger side ( U.S.) fender and lay across it on your belly wnd reach in there with your left hand. Access becomes easy at this point, remove the 8mm strap nuts pull the strap out of the way, then put the 12mm gear wrench on the plugs and they will come right out without a fuss.

Jason · #15 11-08-2010, 06:45 PM

Interesting... unscrewing the plug wasn't the issue for me, but without leaving the buss bar on there, how do you get the plug in and out of the hole? There was no way i could get my hand in there from any direction. Leaving the buss bar on was the trick I was told and it worked pretty well I thought... No other way I could see to get ahold of the plug and actually be able to get the threads started.

RLDSL · #16 11-09-2010, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Interesting... unscrewing the plug wasn't the issue for me, but without leaving the buss bar on there, how do you get the plug in and out of the hole? There was no way i could get my hand in there from any direction. Leaving the buss bar on was the trick I was told and it worked pretty well I thought... No other way I could see to get ahold of the plug and actually be able to get the threads started.

Not difficult. When laying in that position and undoing it with your left hand, ehrn you thread it out just grab with your fingertips, starting it in , just hold it in fingertips and poke it in and give a few light twists to get it startedm then pot the gearwrench on. I have the worst kind of crippling arthritis ( . the reason I finally had to close my shop heck, I can't even open a pop bottle without pliers anymore), so if I can do it, anyone can. Coming in from the passenger side puts your hand in just the right position to do it all. Trying to get it from the drivers side reaching over the pump or from the front is impossible. Just don;t bend that way.

Jason · #17 11-09-2010, 05:22 AM

Well I'll give it a try from that side next time... Hopefully there isn't a next time anytime soon. My car was eating glow plugs for a while but its been good for a few months finnally. I was using genuine Bosch plugs but I must have gotten some from a bad batch. I replaced that #6 gp two times in 3 months.

Jason

RLDSL · #18 11-09-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Well I'll give it a try from that side next time... Hopefully there isn't a next time anytime soon. My car was eating glow plugs for a while but its been good for a few months finnally. I was using genuine Bosch plugs but I must have gotten some from a bad batch. I replaced that #6 gp two times in 3 months.

Jason

Any chance you have your injection timing set too far advanced? Advancing timing will increase performance..to a point, go over that point and you end up getting a detonation and some other issues that plays heck with glow plugs

Jason · #19 11-10-2010, 05:01 AM

It is advanced, but only up to 1.05mm, and I had rechecked it a couple times. I had run that injection timing for a while before the plugs started to fail, and it was just that number 6, then two more times after that. As I said, I think it was just a crap batch of them. After that last one was replaced, haven't had a problem since. I had checked all the normal stuff, see if the plugs are staying on and getting burnt up, everything was working fine. I didn' have a problem with any other of the plugs other than maybe one other that I replaced some time in the past year or so that had come with the car so who knows how old it was.

Jason