780 Bertone D24T conversion

[v8volvo]

X1/9 sounds right. Seems like in many ways the '80s were Bertone's heyday. Designs that fit the era just right.

With the D24T/ZF swap, I guess the Volvo will be a 3-way cocktail of flavors from Sweden, Italy, Germany. Hopefully the best features of each.

My information shows that the 780 has 3.73 gears in the diff. So should make for a little taller overall gearing than the factory 3.91 setup in a 740 TD. Wonder if that will be a good or bad thing, but probably helpful for easy cruising at highway speed.

[ngoma]

Might make the speedo displayed speed closer to actual? All mine seem to display higher than actual. Even with oversized tires.

ZF 4HP22L has a pretty low 1st gear, should be OK there. On the other end, the taller geared axle could defer TC lockup until low 50s MPH instead of high 40s?

Probably overall similar to running +2 tire size.

[v8volvo]

This project has progressed to the next stage. The Bertone is here after completing a ~400 mile trip back from Boise Idaho, where I picked it up a few weeks ago.

It was fun -- more or less! I don't think this car had really seen the road in 7 years or more, thus deficiencies from sitting were evident. Not long after departure the brake pedal feel changed, still worked safely but with excess free motion, no external leaks so seems like I will be changing the master cylinder and giving it a good flush here soon. I was worried about the timing belt but it held up. No functioning radio or A/C (converted to R134a but not currently working for reasons I will need to investigate), plus a falling headliner that made me loath to run the windows down too much in case it got sucked down all the way, made the trip not especially comfortable even with the fancy Italian leather seats. The handling and ride were nice in this car, though the left side Nivomat rear shock is failing and letting that corner sag a little lower than the others so I will need to replace those expensive self-leveling shocks or convert to standard shocks and coils (more likely, as this car is not a wagon that will haul heavy payloads, hard to really see the value of load-leveling suspension here). The power seats need some adjustment and lubrication as well, they want to bind and jam when attempting to move. Cruise control doesn't currently work either.

Aside from those issues and a couple previously-known spots where the body and interior need some rejuvenation though, the car looks and feels good, a nice candidate starting point for putting effort into, and fun to spend time in a 7 series car that is different from the more familiar models.

The B230FT/AW71 stock turbo powertrain gave a strong demonstration of why a D24TIC swap will be a great improvement in this car. Power from the turbo gasser is snappy for sure, but 19mpg on premium fuel plus lots of buzz and thrash are reminders of the value of a smooth, balanced inline six and turbodiesel power that is comparable with much less fuel use. I found a redblock fan locally who is excited to take the low mile turbo engine and related parts when it comes out of the car. So the next step will be getting the gasser components pulled out, cleaning up the bay, swapping in the diesel crossmember, and installing the D24T and ZF. Hopefully this winter sometime.

Photos to come in the next post.

[v8volvo]

Picking up from the previous owner in Boise. He has a half dozen 780s and is an authority on them, plus having access to a shop full of spare parts. Lucky connection, as he has been able to answer several 780-specific questions I had (interior features etc) and source some hard to find unique parts. Makes it much easier to be confident about keeping this car going. He has recently developed a liking for the next generation Volvo C70 coupe that followed after the 780. Not a car or platform (P80, 5cyl FWD) that I am especially excited by but I have to say his saffron color, modified turbo 5-speed C70 was clean and impressive too. Pictured with the 780 when picking it up.




On the road back eastbound through the southern Idaho desert, near Idaho National Lab where early nuclear experiments were done. Easy to see why this desolate area was one of the places chosen for nuclear development.






And back at home base with MT Vintage plates on. The battery in the car is old and worked OK for the trip back but was low after a few days sitting parked on the street. My beater gas nonturbo 740 wagon "town car" had to give it a boost. One Volvo helping another .... shows some of the interesting stylistic differences on the 780. It really looks like no other Volvo, doesn't share a single body panel with a regular 7/9 car.






Next step this winter is probably to tidy up some of the car's non-engine-related needs like brakes and suspension and interior/electrical ... then begin the turbodiesel swap early next year.

[v8volvo]

Uh oh, those photos are massive. Imgur used to have a re-sizing function but looks like not anymore. I will have to find a different host and edit that post. Later.

[jbg]

That's a great looking 780 Bertone! I haven't seen one of those locally for years. I always though they had a resemblance to a BMW 5-series, like a late 80s / early 90s era.

I might have missed it, but what does a Bertone interior look like? Any interesting / unexpected options?

Thanks for sharing!

[ngoma]

1989 Volvo 780 Bertone Turbo - $12,000

1989 Volvo 780 Bertone Turbo for sale. Only 8,518 of these cars were produced between 1986 and 1991. Assembled by Bertone in Turin, Italy, the car is finished in metallic blue over butterscotch leather upholstery, and it is powered by a 2.3-liter turbo 4 cylinder mated to a four-speed automatic transmission. Additional equipment includes the original basket weave wheels, four-wheel disc brakes, a sunroof, power-adjustable front seats, and a cassette stereo with parametric EQ.

This car just has 80,000 miles, and is running well with a newly rebuilt turbo. There is damage to the roof (see pictures) with insurance repair pending, but willing to deduct from the price to sell now. Asking $12,000 or best offer

https://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/c...798634078.html


Not my car-- it's advertised Craigslist ad near NYC.

[v8volvo]

Originally Posted by jbg

That's a great looking 780 Bertone! I haven't seen one of those locally for years. I always though they had a resemblance to a BMW 5-series, like a late 80s / early 90s era.

I might have missed it, but what does a Bertone interior look like? Any interesting / unexpected options?

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks! It's not perfect but it's pretty good. There's another white over black interior '91 very much like it for sale in CA for $1500 now, needing a motor (redblock taken apart and missing pieces under the hood). Kind of wish I had gotten that one as it would have been more suitable than mine for dismantling for a diesel conversion, it's always a little painful to tear apart a good-running car. But that car sat 15 years in the sun and its interior is a worse starting point, plus it's missing the special 15" basketweave wheels, which I agree are part of what gives it an almost BMW E30 vibe. And mine was able to drive home, so that's worth something.

The Bertone interior is cool. Still clearly a Volvo 700 series in terms of the dash, but special leather seats, door panels, and wood trim. I will add some photos of it and re-size the ones above. My car has most of the pieces in decent shape. It does need a headliner but apparently that is not a bad job on the coupe as the door openings are big enough to get it out in one piece. Wagons are OK that way too. The sedans require windshield removal or cutting the headliner in half. Glad I won't have to do either of those.

That car ngoma posted in NY is nice too. Expensive! But they are rare. A white '90 just sold on BAT for the same $12k and got a lot of warm comments. Guess there is a growing appreciation for these. The blue color on the NY coupe is very nice and I don't think that roof damage is anything worth worrying about, I'd live with it.

@jbg - how is your 740 coming?