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If you feel 110% certain that you have ruled out the possibility of fuel supply problems, and the injection pump is getting nothing but perfectly clean, high-quality fuel under positive pressure with no contamination or air in it, then you should go ahead and investigate other possibilities. It sounds like what you really want to do is throw a set of injectors at it. That's OK as something to try; the only problem is that it's a very expensive test (in other words, if you haven't fully checked out other possibilities, there's a solid chance that new injectors will make no difference in the engine's problem). As long as you are prepared for the possibility of spending hundreds of dollars and potentially not fixing the problem, you may as well go ahead. If new injectors do fix it, then that's great, and if they don't, then new injectors are never a bad thing anyway -- yours likely have many miles on them and would benefit from a refresh. The alternative is to continue working through diagnostic steps before spending money on new parts. If you have a hunch that it has a stuck injector, you can try to identify that injector by opening injector connections one by one with the engine running (in your case you might need need a helper to keep their foot on the accelerator and keep the engine running long enough to do this). Stay back from the high-pressure spray, but as you crack open each injector connection with your 17mm wrench, you should hear/feel that cylinder quit firing and see a nice squirt of fuel out of the loosened connection. If there is an injector stuck open, then when you get to that one, what you'll see instead is a bunch of foam coming out and no effect on the engine's operation with the injector disabled. If you do that test and find one or more injectors that show signs of malfunction, then you've located your issue. But if not, then the likelihood of getting good results from buying a set of new injectors is very low. FWIW: the only times I've ever seen an injector stick were in situations where an engine had sat for many, many years or where injectors had just been installed and a piece of contamination had gotten into an open union. Very unusual for them to just suddenly stick during regular operation, with no provocation.
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Been hearing about subpar quality on some new injectors (made in India?). If so, the old injectors might be better. Especially after a clean/reset. Especially especially after a clean/new nozzles (Monark)/reset.
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Good point. Even more reason to only go down the path of injector repair/refresh/replacement IF you pinpoint them as a definite problem area through a proper linear diagnostic process, no?
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Yes, systematic troubleshooting procedures can minimize frustration, wasted time, and money.
Your suggestion for the next step (loosening the injector union nuts one-by-one and watching/listening for diminished idle or non-affected idle) was a good one, good call! rado561 when you perform this test try to keep fuel from dripping or spraying on the coolant hoses.
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I'm still thinking either a fuel delivery or quality issue, if those haven't been fully checked out, or slipped timing as the second place candidate, then injector issues as least likely. Perhaps we should establish a forum pool and start taking bets?
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hi everyone again. After a month i found the solution FINALLY! I found one more copper o ring and replaced it after uninstalling the IP. Also uninstalled all of the injectors and cleaned them with a needle and toothbrush. Installed all of the parts a little set and its running good! Thank everybody for help!
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