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Old 08-08-2023, 01:13 AM
BogfordGarage BogfordGarage is offline
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Default Engine dies at idle

Hi everyone this one is a bit of a head scratcher but hopefully someone can help who might have experienced a similar problem.

This has happened twice now. Sat at traffic lights after being on a motorway/dual carriageway, foot on the brake waiting for them to change green. All of a sudden it will stall, no warning no stumble or anything. Then it won't restart, cranking for 10 seconds at a time and nothing almost like its run out of fuel.
First instance I turned it over in gear to get out of a live lane on a round about and it restarts, second time I did the same but it didn't restart until I had got out of everyone's way and lifted the bonnet to make sure all was okay, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary, went to try again and it starts no problem. In both examples it didn't stall again that journey.
My current thinking is it's something electrical causing a loss of 12v to the solenoid. The solenoid itself is actually quite new as I had the old one leaking about a year or two ago and I replaced it with a genuine Bosch one.
Also something to note is I currently have a brake light bulb playing up and since this only happens when I've got my foot on the brake maybe it's something to do with the bulb out circuit.
Hopefully someone can help. Many Thanks in advance
Tristan
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Old 08-08-2023, 12:45 PM
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Is the car in the year range for using the Bosch biodegradable wiring? Mine are, and I have had to repair various intermittent problems with the fuel solenoid, GP circuit, altitude compensator circuit, etc. by running new wire.

You could try a temporary jumper wire from batt+ to solenoid when you are about to go for a drive that includes lots of opportunities for the problem to happen. If no problems, remove the jumper wire, test again without it, and compare.

My other thought was a small air leak into the fuel system, somehow small enough to create problems at idle but not able to affect higher RPM/load conditions.

What is the fuel filter condition?
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Old 08-08-2023, 12:56 PM
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Looks like the biodegradable wiring was 80-87.5, so consider yourself lucky there.

https://turbobricks.com/index.php?th...wiring.317812/

Check carefully the fuse holder for the circuit that energizes the solenoid. Look for excessive heat or melting related evidence.
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Old 08-09-2023, 02:54 AM
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Thanks for your reply Ngoma I will double check the fuse holder. Luckily it's a 940 so doesn't have the biodegradable wiring of the 200 and 700 series.

I may have misdiagnosed the problem however as I now believe, like you suggested, I have a very small leak letting air into the fuel. I was fiddling around doing some voltage checks yes and just thought I should rev the engine while keeping a close eye on the clear fuel line. As it came back to idle a second or two later a large air bubble would travel between the filter and the pump I repeated this a few times and the results were the same but it did not stall. I took the other car to work yesterday but today I've removed the fuel filter and double checked the seals, made sure no old seals weren't stuck on the bracket, topped up the filter and refitted. It started first time no problems runs great but still when revving and coming back to idle I got a large air bubble as before. Any suggestions as to where to look next?
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Old 08-09-2023, 03:03 AM
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Fuse holder is all good, no evidence of burns from shorting or blowing. Beginning to think I was wrong about the solenoid supply. I also solved the brake light issue so the bulb out circuit is no longer active under braking.
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Old 08-09-2023, 03:05 AM
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Sorry I forgot to add on about the filter. It's almost new i changed it around 4000 miles before having the problem.
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