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jbg
11-20-2011, 05:30 AM
Dieselers,

Turns out the KD-branded tool I've had for a year or so is too large to fit between the valves of the D24T. Drat. In doing some research I've found some various companies and part numbers for what I think are the same tool:

V9995196 ("OEM" Volvo)
Hazet 2574-1
SP83100 (Schley Products, http://www.monstermarketplace.com/automotive-specialty-tools-and-equipment/valve-adjusting-tool-sp83100)
Audi/VW 2078[A] (Skip at Baum told me about this one)

I'm looking for whatever is cheapest to buy, yes I could rent, but I'd rather own it. Can anyone give me recommendations or opinions on what they have used / own? Price is a concern here, but I'd also like something that is not a "throw away".

Thank you, Jim.

ian2000t
11-22-2011, 05:10 AM
I used a Hazet 2574-1 which I found on Ebay ("saved search" found it after about 2 months) for £10. Worked a treat!

Not used any others. Every search I did found items in US with far too many ££ to post to UK.

ian2000t
11-22-2011, 05:16 AM
VW 2078 tool is available from US company I found for $47. Send an email to eqscustomerservice@snapon.com for details.

jbg
11-22-2011, 12:14 PM
VW 2078 tool is available from US company I found for $47. Send an email to eqscustomerservice@snapon.com for details.

Hey, thanks a lot ian2000t for searching for the product and its price! Could anyone chime in and confirm that the VW 2078 tool will in fact work on the D24[T]?

Jim

jbg
11-25-2011, 04:26 PM
Could anyone chime in and confirm that the VW 2078 tool will in fact work on the D24[T]?

I realize quoting myself on a forum is something of a paradox, but can anyone confirm this?

jbg
11-26-2011, 05:52 AM
In my continuing research on the "tappet compressor" tool issue, I found the following site which details the differences between Hazet 2574 and 2574-1:

"Hazet 2574-1 & 2574 - Valve tappet depressors. Used in conjunction with Hazet 2599 for the removal of valve adjustment shims, on VW and Audi Solid lifter motors. These two are not interchangeable. [...] Design of cylinder head changed in 1983(?), moving the valves farther apart in order to address a head cracking issue between the valves."

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=451773&postcount=125

I believe this is why my KD-branded tool does not work. It is too wide, perhaps in similar in design to 2574-1? Do the D24[T] cylinder heads differ in valve placement depending on the year of manufacture?

jbg
11-26-2011, 08:03 AM
So it seems our own member "thecbdb" (Charlie) back in 2009 posted this:

"If you have a D24/t, you'll want the 2574-1, regardless of year."

http://d24t.com/showthread.php?182-Hazet-2574-1-valve-adjusting-tool

This seems at odds with logic as the D24 was, I believe, introduced in 1978/79, and therefore I would assume the 2574 tool would be required? So, I suppose the question now is, is the Hazet 2574-1 tool the only tool used on all D24 / D24T cylinder heads, like what Charlie claims?

Help!

jbg
11-30-2011, 01:39 PM
Well I bit the bullet and bought a V9995196 tool from Rotunda. This cost me approximately $40.00 USD. I figured I would buy something I knew would be compatible, and it also beat the prices of the Hazet 2574-1 I've seen here and there.

Mauricio
01-03-2023, 12:57 PM
Hi,

I'm looking for a tappet compressor. I've a 1989 volvo TDIC that I hope is almost the same as yours. The original V 5196 are almost impossible to find on ebay and Baum has no more. I found on ebay many Hazet 2574-1 and a significantly more expensive Hazet VW 2078. They are also some Hazet 2574 but I understand they are not suitable for our engines, isn't?

Could you confirm that both 2574-1 and vw 2078 are suitable for our engines and equivalent? Can I buy the cheapest 2574-1 or should I prefer the 2078? Thanks in advance. Best regards and have a great new year!

Mauricio.

RedArrow
01-03-2023, 03:00 PM
Confirming that hazet 2574 doesn`t work, it has the wrong angle. You need 2574-1. I have the 2078 also and it worked equally well.

2574-1 example on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255858228398?epid=1023254499&hash=item3b9256bcae:g:~5EAAOSwvWBjig9g

The seller has another tool that also works great on our cars and is a good-to-have item in your d24 toolbox!!!
HAZET 4550-1 “TRUE” MERCEDES DIESEL INJECTION LINE WRENCH 17mm to safely remove injector hard lines instead of using the regular 17mm wrench that can damage the injector if not careful.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266031784113?hash=item3df0bae0b1:g:XWIAAOSw09djkiw V




If you have THIS tool, you are fine but the Benz tool is still a nice option for the hard lines at the injectors (not at the IP):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/404045409309?hash=item5e12fbac1d:g:AckAAOSwmjVjlNM c&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoHEqZpBJDu5eZK3G9E%2FHI5By1I5 p5ep5Ml%2B32N2MmsW0vOivY3vOTviBcb%2FbrFt01IjDcgoIW riKKvSXWnTsK0%2FL3gwa0uSl4DtlW31McxChVJ7345STy76Lu Pp%2BWlSd7JW2D1j5fgjyAo%2BfMX3usfUlQJ7AUTB2ddHb0Eq RggvrFOlUwIQ8udBRgk5Fst%2FFnkifZ%2BgGky0IzfYhUWouK Uc%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7iA96OvYQ
(HAZET 2597 17mm Diesel Fuel Injection Line Tool Special Wrench VW AUDI)



I own more than one of the Benz tools (always a keeper IN the car) and on one of them I filed away the outer wall of the socket wrench to make it even easier and safer to access the injector hard lines.

Here`s another 2574-1 from another seller because the other tool just got sold mins after my post. :))
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325330815884

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255773650015?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110 006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200 818142401%26meid%3D36832de5d05a4a48b069f68b4b7d3f1 6%26pid%3D101124%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D255858 228398%26itm%3D255773650015%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26 pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb%26brand%3D HAZET&_trksid=p2047675.c101124.m2109

Hazet 2599 Lifter Valve Shim Pliers
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204146728439?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110 006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D24423 8%26meid%3D4e26412f31964e3d9770a3198f59906b%26pid% 3D101113%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D325330815884%2 6itm%3D204146728439%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D204 7675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWebCTRPrediction%26bra nd%3DHAZET&_trksid=p2047675.c101113.m2109

Mauricio
01-03-2023, 03:09 PM
Perfect! Thanks a lot for your answer.

Best regards!

Mauricio.

Mauricio
01-04-2023, 10:42 AM
Hi! Thanks a lot for your detailed answer. I like the collaborative spirit of this forum. I bought the 2574-1 that is missing ;) and also a 2599, following the indications of the posts dedicated to this topic. I bought also a Hazet 4560 indicated on the forum, that in fact looks identical to the 2597 you suggest. This seems strange for me: it appears that hazet produces the same tool with dofferent codes, isn't? Anyway, once one knows that they are equivalent, it doesn't matter :)


I think that the 2745 could be a useful tool because it eliminates the lateral moment that one makes when pulling on the handle of a lever.



Fortunately I left the injection belt cover loose thinking about access to the sixth injector. Still, my fingers are big and clumsy and my fear is that I won't be able to put the new glowplug in place. But I'm going to dare in a few days. I've bought a set of 11" grippers in order to "extend" my fingers.



It is not my vehicle for daily use and that sometimes makes me not give priority to this. Best regards and a big thank for your time :)

RedArrow
01-04-2023, 07:08 PM
Glad it worked out well and I'm happy to share useful info when I can!

I think it was a good decision to buy the other two tools as well.



The multi-bend 17mm Hazet injector tool is a huge help... and much safer to use than using a regular wrench that always seemed super hard or nearly impossible to fit on&around the hard fuel pipes due to very limited space (especially* at the front of the injection pump!).
If done in a certain order (don't ask, I can't remember :) , the handy Hazet tool can gently do and undo all of them.

(The different part numbers for the same Hazet tools maybe have to do with the Germany/West-Germany thing (?), I am not sure. )

I have used both versions before and I would say that the 2597 one worked slightly better, I preferred it over the other because it is slightly less chubby/chunky/thick at the open end (it fit better around the 'nut'). Both versions worked well though.


The valve tool is also a nice catch, great to have when you need to get those shims from underneath the camshaft safely. When I needed one, it took me months to find one... I have the Volvo version and the Hazet one too, both work fine there too. They do what they need to do. I have to confess I like the Hazet version better due to its size and bc the handles are made with a larger `curve`. The Volvo tool I have had been used a LOT and the tips need some `sharpening` , I guess.
(Another version of the tool is made for VW by MATRA, part number T10005.)



I think that the 2745 could be a useful tool because it eliminates the lateral moment that one makes when pulling on the handle of a lever.
YES, since I have bought that Mercedes tool, I use it every time. It works well, I use it (gently) on injector pipes and it comes handy at some of the hard-to-reach IP joints (delivery valves), too. It's another Hazet tool with multiple part numbers :), often found as a Hazet 4550-1 (W-Germany :) )
https://www.amazon.com/Hazet-4550-1-Injection-line-wrench/dp/B001C9VBBU



Joy to have the proper tools when you work on your precious, high-mileage, survivor rarity car, isn`t it?! Wrong tools do more damage than good- this seems extremely true around the d24 engines :).


One other thing comes to my mind, please make sure you follow the torque specifications when you work around the injectors (inj into head, with special care where the weak pipes meet the injectors).

Do you already have the Volvo Greenbook Manual series for your car/year/model? Nice to know that these cars still exist in Uruguay, welcome to the d24t forum! Share some pictures when you have the time.

Mauricio
01-05-2023, 05:43 PM
Hi RedArrow,

Thanks a lot for your explanations. I've the "revue technique automobile" (in french), which is a shop handbook for official services in France. Is not very explicit about procedures for a non professional like me. But it has all the torque specifications.

For replacing the timing belt, I used also the YT tutorials of Michaelovitch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASWilxt8tz4 (in french also) but once I understood that the injection pump was not at the correct time, the tutorial that really helped me was that of Adam Holland (in english): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWyhxPM9TOE

These D24 volvo's are very rare here and the TDIC versions even more. This SW was imported by myself and honestly I don't know anyone who has the right tools to get the job done. So I decided to do all the maintenance by myself, because no one is going to buy tools to service only my car. If they try to improvise, it's going to be a bad job. I've also an old beetle and for this car there is a lot of competent people that can fix it, because it was here a very popular car. I've other old cars on different stages of conservation but the only one I repair by my hands is this volvo. I like so much this SW to risk an improper repair. I promise, I'lll search photos of my trip to Patagonia in this volvo in 2013, which was also my tent :D Those photos must be sleeping somewhere on some hard drive...

All the best for you!