Tool to hold crankshaft pulley

[indestruktable]

Picked up a 740 turbodiesel with 210k a while back. It's actually in half-decent shape (http://www.upshiftblog.com/2011/06/1985-volvo-740-turbodiesel-volkswagen.html), considering what I paid for it, and I love the uniqueness of it.
I was looking through the monstrous stack of service records a few months ago and noticed the timing belt was last done in 1995!?!?!?!

I haven't driven the car since; I'm sure that thing is ready to snap.

I have the green book and access to every tool I need to do the job except for the tool that holds the crank pulley. I can't find one anywhere. I've checked with Tasca, who show it as available but can't get it, and my local dealer, who says the same.

Is there any way I can do the job without this tool, use another tool that will work, or make my own tool?

Any advice is appreciated, I want to drive this thing!

[IceV_760]

Its done numerous time without that tool. I wonder at not at half of people here doing it have any sepcial tools for it.
If its manual, get someone to help you, put gear to 4th and ask your helper to push brake as hard as he/ she can,
while you open bolt with big wrench/ anything available. Just turn engine by hand to point where
you feel it dont have " any pressure", by that you minimise engine will against valves. Then just change belts,
get marks right, and again ask your helper to pull brake with 4:th gear, and torque bolt with " locking grease"
as much as clutch will hold, and its enough.

If its automatic, you need pneumatic tools to open bolt. Of course easier to do with manual too by that.

But, no special tool needed.

[indestruktable]

I too was wondering how people were doing it; it seems if the tools were really this scarce, there would be none of these engines left on the road.

It is unfortunately an automatic, so I guess I'll need to get my friend who has an impact wrench to crack it for me. I had heard that it wouldn't even break with impact.

I assume the radiator will need to be removed to fit an impact gun down there?

[IceV_760]

Yeah, not enough room. If it wont open with impact wrench, well, then you dont have big enough.
Or not enough air pressure.

[v8volvo]

Where are you located?

I have an extra crank counterhold tool that I could loan you by mail. You really don't want to try to do the job without it. Much more difficult to try to get an impact in there, and then you don't have any way of getting precise torque on it when you reinstall. Much more pleasant and effective job if you have the right tools.

Is there anything else you are missing?

[indestruktable]

That would be awesome! I'd definitely be willing to leave a deposit via PayPal or something, too.

I live in Ohio.

I don't think I'm missing anything else, I have access to a lot of stuff through a VW diesel enthusiast and European shop I know well, but that darn crank tool is rare here, probably because I'm the only D24t I've ever seen on the road in Columbus.

[v8volvo]

Do you have the 5199 cam pulley counterhold tool, or a generic equivalent, and the special 19mm wrench to loosen and tighten the rear cam sprocket bolt? Those are the other two tools that really cannot be done without on this job, or at least they make the job many times easier. Getting the injection timing set accurately without the 5199 or equivalent is difficult.

And you need to also be sure to have a way to get the crank pulley bolt loosened and tightened. A strong breaker bar with jack handle slipped over it does a good job loosening. You need a torque wrench that goes up to 332 ft-lb for tightening, or else be willing to lean on the same breaker bar w/handle.

Let me know when you want to do the job. I'll take a deposit and put tool(s) in the mail.

[IceV_760]

Just side note- good impact wrenches, atleast i use to use on work, has announced torque-rates
with different gears. They vary like 20Nm, like 110-130nm with gear 1, but that kind of
inaccuracy is well acceptable.

[indestruktable]

v8volvo, I tried to PM you but your box was full.

I checked and I do not have access to either of the other special tools you mentioned; I might be able to get a generic counterhold tool, but I'd rather go with what's known to work.

I'd like to get the job done before it gets cold here, but I also have to do some bodywork on my other car which takes the priority. Hopefully I'll get that done this weekend, and could do the t-belt job the following week. I already have the parts, it's the tools that are giving me the trouble!

I have a verified, 10+ year old PayPal account and will gladly place a deposit & shipping... I really appreciate your willingness to share because it would pain me to see the belt snap and ruin a pretty cool car.

[Jason]

The crank counterhold tool is a must IMO, that bolt needs to be tight. I have used a pair a vice grips on the cam shaft to hold the cam while tightening the rear sprocket, the torque value isn't that high back there anyway.

Jason

[v8volvo]

Uh oh, hope it hasn't been full for too long and blocked people out. I didn't realize I was not able to receive PM. Sorry about that.

Email is a better way to get hold of me, I don't always do a good job checking my PM. You can reach me at g30rg3 dot a11is0n at gmail dot com (change the numbers to corresponding lowercase letters for the address, e.g. 3=e, 0=o, 1=l). I'm out of town until Wednesday but have internet access.

[piper109]

If you want to make your own or have one made, I have a drawing of a crank holding tool I had made and I would email it to you if you want it.

Steve

[Tony]

If you want to make your own or have one made, I have a drawing of a crank holding tool I had made and I would email it to you if you want it.

Steve

Could be use full posting the picture up or a link to it because I no I would be interested aswel.

[piper109]

Ok well I just have to figure out how to get it on here. Not very savvy I'm afraid but give me a little time

Steve

[piper109]

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Hopefully this attachment will work

Steve

[Tony]

Yeah the attachment works
Thanks

[Nevadan]

Being new to the 2.4TD and my similar 2.0TD I need to acquire a few tools, one being the crank holder. To revive this thread...are these available anywhere? Does anyone have the drawing that piper109 referred to? I'm asking these questions prior to receiving my "green book" which is enroute from eBay.

[Boots]

If we do get that dwg back up, I'll be having a go at making a hold tool as well... In the meantime, I'm gonna see if my local VW folks have one lying in a dusty corner somewhere!

[745 TurboGreasel]

I'll just copy my old post from TB
Here are some of mine
Pics for now, more detail later.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/SVOlvo/D24T/DVC01160.jpg
In order of appearance:
crank lock, IP cam pulley holder-
universal pully holder-
TDI cam pulley puller, works with generic 2 jaw, I think it will work on VW----27 MM performance tool deep socket, works on crank nut, and injectors, but you have to grind a taper on the tip.-
front cam pulley holder gen one.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/SVOlvo/D24T/DVC01162.jpg
crank tool assembled, works with 36" pipe wrench

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/SVOlvo/D24T/DVC01161.jpg
unassembled
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/SVOlvo/D24T/DVC01163.jpg
with a tape....

[Mike94531]

Thanks for the pictures, is this tool shown being used in the Greenbook so I could use the motor to grab some dimensions and how to actually use it?

[Nevadan]

That's what I was looking for! I knew the crank holder tool had to be strong enough to handle the torque and yours looks very stout. I'll see if I can find the right diameter pipe as the foundation for the tool.

Nice detail on the pictures! Thanks.

[745 TurboGreasel]

Thanks for the pictures, is this tool shown being used in the Greenbook so I could use the motor to grab some dimensions and how to actually use it?

Which one? I'm happy to measure whatever, or show a pic of tool as in-use.
Or if you want to take the kids to the beach and borrow them a few days.


The real crank tool has a handle attatched in such a way it is at or near ( I never had one) TDC while self holding against the fan bracket. I keep going back and fort about cutting that bracket off for an e-fan, so wasn't too worried. A wrench or vice grip on the cam makes it easy to watch and see if you've accidentally rotated something while using it.

That's what I was looking for! I knew the crank holder tool had to be strong enough to handle the torque and yours looks very stout. I'll see if I can find the right diameter pipe as the foundation for the tool.

Nice detail on the pictures! Thanks.
Its standard black plumbing pipe, I forgot which size.
It is without question stout enough. With a 36" handle, it's not even too hard to hold.

[Boots]

Thanks for the tool pics. I don't have a welder but I can probably borrow one.

This may sound like a daft question but what do you use to hold the crank hold tool? I assume enough sticks out from the pulley to get a pipe wrench on it?

[745 TurboGreasel]

Ridgid 36", like this, but bigger. It gets strut nuts and Dodge axle bolts too.
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Ridgid-36-Heavy-Duty-Pipe-Wrench-/00/s/NjEyWDEwMjQ=/$(KGrHqRHJFcFCj,EsTrRBQuN0Dn!j!~~60_35.JPG

[Nevadan]

Here's the crank tool I made AFTER my timing belt broke and my camshaft snapped. Should have made it prior to the destructive event. The threaded pipe reducer thats welded into the pipe allows me to put a 16" crescent wrench on it and then brace the wrench against the frame. It works VERY well.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JDinReno/1985%20Volvo%20740/cranktool1_zpsb0ba9402.jpg

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JDinReno/1985%20Volvo%20740/cranktool3_zpsa37c9d13.jpg

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JDinReno/1985%20Volvo%20740/cranktool2_zps67699d4e.jpg

Here's the tool in action:

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JDinReno/1985%20Volvo%20740/Cranktoolinplace_zps2bb44248.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JDinReno/media/1985%20Volvo%20740/Cranktoolinplace_zps2bb44248.jpg.html)

[Nevadan]

Here's some pictures of the tool I made to get at the rear cam bolt. It works fairly well and I can get some good torque on the bolt. The only thing that could be improved is to put a rubber/foam insert in the pipe so the wrench doesn't slide out.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JDinReno/1985%20Volvo%20740/Rearcamsprkttool_zps3bcfd3f0.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JDinReno/media/1985%20Volvo%20740/Rearcamsprkttool_zps3bcfd3f0.jpg.html)

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x411/JDinReno/1985%20Volvo%20740/Rearcamsprkttool2_zps55616a32.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/JDinReno/media/1985%20Volvo%20740/Rearcamsprkttool2_zps55616a32.jpg.html)